I completely understand your point. Although it's awful to hear about women dying in those states or facing death, I'm very hesitant to believe that the women in the state feel as though they need their rights to abortion to be protected. In fact, many of them didn't care or actively voted for politicians who would usher policies like this in. I believe that if women in red states feel so strongly about protecting their rights to abortion, they need to take responsibility and do what they need to do to make sure those rights are protected.
You said, "It's awful to hear about women dying in those states or facing death." I haven't heard about this happening. How many stories about women dying in those red states have you heard of? Did you check to see if they actually happened or if they were someone catastrophizing that it could happen?
The rest of your comment agrees with what I said in the "article." Are you a pro-abortion woman living in a blue state? Or was that irrelevant to the topic?
Jessica Valenti owner of the Substack abortion everyday speaks extensively about how abortion restrictions are negatively impacting women and girls. I’m very fortunate to live in a blue state and I’m pro choice woman who hasn’t heard much protest about abortion restrictions from women who are actually living in abortion restricted states. So yes I definitely see how abortion is mostly a matter of concern to women on the left.
After quickly looking over the Substack I didn't see any stories about a death, except the one referring to Amber Nicole Thurman. It looks like the doctors could & should have operated on her (and they DID, just too late). But it sounds like legally she was able to be operated on. In that instance, the doctors are at fault, not the ban. https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death
It seems like the article is making the point that many of these bans use vague and unclear language which makes it difficult for healthcare providers to know how and when to respond in abortion-related circumstances without fear of persecution. But if that's your conclusion, it's one I accept.
If you were a doctor and in fear for her life, the smart thing to do would be to do the operation and say you feared for her life (rightly so) and take it to court after the fact. You don't let someone die out of fear of having to prove yourself later.
Something to ponder: Perhaps young women (16 to 18?) are more concerned because of parental pressure? Scenario: young woman in "red state" where even though they are responsible and thinking about possibilities, they might still be terrified of getting pregnant even though they have taken precautions and they may not have parental support to obtain an abortion in a neighboring state.
16-17 yr old girls were not included in the study. 18 year olds shouldn't be as concerned because of parental pressure. There is plenty of free help (planned parenthood, etc) to get those young adult women abortions.
Regardless of the study. My guess would be that a young person lacks the real world experience to be well informed. The free help might be there, but are they even aware of it? Are they too afraid to seek it out?
Cripes, I'm 65 now and still discovering things about our system that I *thought* I knew but now discover my understanding of them was badly mistaken!
I completely understand your point. Although it's awful to hear about women dying in those states or facing death, I'm very hesitant to believe that the women in the state feel as though they need their rights to abortion to be protected. In fact, many of them didn't care or actively voted for politicians who would usher policies like this in. I believe that if women in red states feel so strongly about protecting their rights to abortion, they need to take responsibility and do what they need to do to make sure those rights are protected.
You said, "It's awful to hear about women dying in those states or facing death." I haven't heard about this happening. How many stories about women dying in those red states have you heard of? Did you check to see if they actually happened or if they were someone catastrophizing that it could happen?
The rest of your comment agrees with what I said in the "article." Are you a pro-abortion woman living in a blue state? Or was that irrelevant to the topic?
Jessica Valenti owner of the Substack abortion everyday speaks extensively about how abortion restrictions are negatively impacting women and girls. I’m very fortunate to live in a blue state and I’m pro choice woman who hasn’t heard much protest about abortion restrictions from women who are actually living in abortion restricted states. So yes I definitely see how abortion is mostly a matter of concern to women on the left.
After quickly looking over the Substack I didn't see any stories about a death, except the one referring to Amber Nicole Thurman. It looks like the doctors could & should have operated on her (and they DID, just too late). But it sounds like legally she was able to be operated on. In that instance, the doctors are at fault, not the ban. https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death
It seems like the article is making the point that many of these bans use vague and unclear language which makes it difficult for healthcare providers to know how and when to respond in abortion-related circumstances without fear of persecution. But if that's your conclusion, it's one I accept.
Yes, that was my interpretation.
If you were a doctor and in fear for her life, the smart thing to do would be to do the operation and say you feared for her life (rightly so) and take it to court after the fact. You don't let someone die out of fear of having to prove yourself later.
Whose dying because they couldn't have an abortion? I live in South Carolina and this is news to me.
I’ll refer you to Jessica Valenti of ‘Abortion Everyday’ here on Substack.
Interesting.
Something to ponder: Perhaps young women (16 to 18?) are more concerned because of parental pressure? Scenario: young woman in "red state" where even though they are responsible and thinking about possibilities, they might still be terrified of getting pregnant even though they have taken precautions and they may not have parental support to obtain an abortion in a neighboring state.
16-17 yr old girls were not included in the study. 18 year olds shouldn't be as concerned because of parental pressure. There is plenty of free help (planned parenthood, etc) to get those young adult women abortions.
Regardless of the study. My guess would be that a young person lacks the real world experience to be well informed. The free help might be there, but are they even aware of it? Are they too afraid to seek it out?
Cripes, I'm 65 now and still discovering things about our system that I *thought* I knew but now discover my understanding of them was badly mistaken!