@boriquagato has talked about people who don't simply have ideas & opinions, but whose ideas & opinions become, if not their entire identity, then at least a major portion of it. In my observation that phenomenon is rampant on the left, and given how left-wing elite colleges and universities are, people who fit that description comprise a hefty percentage of their students, faculty, and administrators. Such people experience disagreement, whether in conversation or at the ballot box, literally as personal attacks, and rather than trying to teach them to separate their beliefs from their identities, these elite institutions are doing the opposite -- much like when they push students to constantly scan everything they hear for "microaggressions" and "triggers."
Encouraging students to soothe themselves with cocoa and coloring books because their political party lost an election validates the discomfort that they feel as a direct result of fusing their beliefs with their identities and reinforces to them that it's normal to feel so profoundly attacked and upset over an election. It's deeply unhealthy cultish behavior by both the institutions' students and the institutions themselves.
Yes. I believe that as well. I've written about it before. It's a major problem when you identify as something and then feel attacked when others disagree.
Election stress? Fragile college students? What has our world become?
Elections are expected (the run on schedule). There should be no surprise involved, adults (should we actually call college students "kids"?) should understand that some candidates will win, others will lose.
After an unpredictable catastrophe, "9/11", "John Kennedy's assassination", "the explosion of the space shuttle" there is reasonable justification to cancel classes for a day. Distracted students aren't likely to be focusing and learning what they should. Election results shouldn't be that much of a distraction. Are we teaching our students that a factory production line should be shut down when something happens that half the population isn't happy about?
These particular institutions are teaching the students that their feelings matter more than everything. It's shameful. It also means that the next time there is an election that doesn't go their way, they will react worse. It never gets better if you're just coddling. Actually reflecting and questioning beliefs will make it so that the students can accept new things that they don't like more readily. It's amazing how backward this all is.
Providing love (coddling) is a parent's job. Call your friend, call your parents, whine and cry over the results but continue on with life's responsibilities. This is sort of like the celebrities saying they are "leaving the country" (they probably are due to taxation reasons).
Feelings matter, yes, but this has absolutely nothing to do with college!
Any student that needs this sort of coddling is not a student that I would want to hire. Can we start putting this on resumes? "Needs extreme coddling, unable to cope with news of things not going their way"
I am starting to think that a college degree (and pronouns to boot) on a resume is already starting to come with that warning without it being said in so many words.
A college degree can be a negative for me for hiring someone. I'd rather train them myself. Hiring people to be software developers, I've never factored in their degree. It's simply not important.
When I was young I had this ambitious attitude that I should get in somewhere like this to realise my dreams. This is where the high rollers are. In the last 10 and so years they proved me so wrong(not just in the university but in the workplace too). Where is that indomitable soul? Where is that confidence that we're good and under pressure we're even better. I tought that was the point for reaching high.
On a personal note, I too missed the next day when Trump was elected back in 2016. We actually got so drunk and then hungover that it was impossible to do anything productive. Good times.
I also had an experience with death in the family while I was going for an important exam. My professor later said that it would have been okay if I looked him up and we could have postponed it. I said that it was better like this. Life doesn't stop and we must keep living too. Even then, it's dangerous to keep the locus of control so far away. You do your best where you can and hope that it spirals further to higher levels.
They really are ruining the reputation of their college degrees. I'm surprised. I find it difficult to imagine this is where we're at. It will be interesting to see what happens and if businesses will stop caring about a degree like this or actively avoid these degreed people.
That's what I'm seeing too. There's still this image in the heads of the people, that you must be really great if you got a degree from somewhere like this.
Not that long ago we got this manager with all the credentials(Imperial college, etc.), so we peasants were thinking that he must be the real thing. I remember that I had to call him over for a one-on-one to tell him that he should quit the whining, emotional blackmail and hysterics when something not goes his way. Like dammit man, you are the one with the most agency among us within the organisation. You know what it does if you give the feeling that you can't get anything done?
It is for the better to drop all the university ranking bullshit and get back to character testing. If the "best of us" feel that nothing can be done, then they are not the best. Writing down names of good sounding institutions is easier though.
I look forward to workplaces judging on merits and not on credentials in the same way I look forward to people judging reporters on merits (reality-tested & proven reports versus projections that fail the reality test) rather than if they're on TV (versus someone writing on Substack or doing YouTube video reporting).
@boriquagato has talked about people who don't simply have ideas & opinions, but whose ideas & opinions become, if not their entire identity, then at least a major portion of it. In my observation that phenomenon is rampant on the left, and given how left-wing elite colleges and universities are, people who fit that description comprise a hefty percentage of their students, faculty, and administrators. Such people experience disagreement, whether in conversation or at the ballot box, literally as personal attacks, and rather than trying to teach them to separate their beliefs from their identities, these elite institutions are doing the opposite -- much like when they push students to constantly scan everything they hear for "microaggressions" and "triggers."
Encouraging students to soothe themselves with cocoa and coloring books because their political party lost an election validates the discomfort that they feel as a direct result of fusing their beliefs with their identities and reinforces to them that it's normal to feel so profoundly attacked and upset over an election. It's deeply unhealthy cultish behavior by both the institutions' students and the institutions themselves.
Yes. I believe that as well. I've written about it before. It's a major problem when you identify as something and then feel attacked when others disagree.
Election stress? Fragile college students? What has our world become?
Elections are expected (the run on schedule). There should be no surprise involved, adults (should we actually call college students "kids"?) should understand that some candidates will win, others will lose.
After an unpredictable catastrophe, "9/11", "John Kennedy's assassination", "the explosion of the space shuttle" there is reasonable justification to cancel classes for a day. Distracted students aren't likely to be focusing and learning what they should. Election results shouldn't be that much of a distraction. Are we teaching our students that a factory production line should be shut down when something happens that half the population isn't happy about?
These particular institutions are teaching the students that their feelings matter more than everything. It's shameful. It also means that the next time there is an election that doesn't go their way, they will react worse. It never gets better if you're just coddling. Actually reflecting and questioning beliefs will make it so that the students can accept new things that they don't like more readily. It's amazing how backward this all is.
Extremely backward.
Providing love (coddling) is a parent's job. Call your friend, call your parents, whine and cry over the results but continue on with life's responsibilities. This is sort of like the celebrities saying they are "leaving the country" (they probably are due to taxation reasons).
Feelings matter, yes, but this has absolutely nothing to do with college!
Any student that needs this sort of coddling is not a student that I would want to hire. Can we start putting this on resumes? "Needs extreme coddling, unable to cope with news of things not going their way"
I am starting to think that a college degree (and pronouns to boot) on a resume is already starting to come with that warning without it being said in so many words.
A college degree can be a negative for me for hiring someone. I'd rather train them myself. Hiring people to be software developers, I've never factored in their degree. It's simply not important.
When I was young I had this ambitious attitude that I should get in somewhere like this to realise my dreams. This is where the high rollers are. In the last 10 and so years they proved me so wrong(not just in the university but in the workplace too). Where is that indomitable soul? Where is that confidence that we're good and under pressure we're even better. I tought that was the point for reaching high.
On a personal note, I too missed the next day when Trump was elected back in 2016. We actually got so drunk and then hungover that it was impossible to do anything productive. Good times.
I also had an experience with death in the family while I was going for an important exam. My professor later said that it would have been okay if I looked him up and we could have postponed it. I said that it was better like this. Life doesn't stop and we must keep living too. Even then, it's dangerous to keep the locus of control so far away. You do your best where you can and hope that it spirals further to higher levels.
They really are ruining the reputation of their college degrees. I'm surprised. I find it difficult to imagine this is where we're at. It will be interesting to see what happens and if businesses will stop caring about a degree like this or actively avoid these degreed people.
That's what I'm seeing too. There's still this image in the heads of the people, that you must be really great if you got a degree from somewhere like this.
Not that long ago we got this manager with all the credentials(Imperial college, etc.), so we peasants were thinking that he must be the real thing. I remember that I had to call him over for a one-on-one to tell him that he should quit the whining, emotional blackmail and hysterics when something not goes his way. Like dammit man, you are the one with the most agency among us within the organisation. You know what it does if you give the feeling that you can't get anything done?
It is for the better to drop all the university ranking bullshit and get back to character testing. If the "best of us" feel that nothing can be done, then they are not the best. Writing down names of good sounding institutions is easier though.
I look forward to workplaces judging on merits and not on credentials in the same way I look forward to people judging reporters on merits (reality-tested & proven reports versus projections that fail the reality test) rather than if they're on TV (versus someone writing on Substack or doing YouTube video reporting).